You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. For a new player, Roy is a fine choice to defeat your friends, and even in pro play, Roy is a decent match-up against Fox on the Final Destination stage. Good stuff :), S: Fox = Puff (without lgl) > Falco > Puff (with lgl) > MarthA: Sheik > Falcon > ICs (with wobbling) > Peach > ICs (w/o wobbling)B: Pika > YoshiC: Samus > Luigi > DocD: Mario, Ganon, DK, Link, YL, Pichu, Mew2, G&WE: Ness > RoyF: Zelda > Kirby > Bowser, "[Puff]...has a pretty good advantage against Jigglypuff. For all of you who wanted to know what my tier list was, I just made it, after spending about 2 hours on it, here it is. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Earlier you were talking about how T Link uses his boomerang to lessen the chance of counter attack while pressuring an opponent, while Link uses his as more of a spacing and zoning tool. People think Tink sucks because they don't know how to AGT. I think the list looks good except that I think Luigi is underrated... High level play with Luigi is crazy.

Ultimate Edition Pro Controller - Switch, a Nintendo Switch Super Smash Bros. (As a free agent, could really use the support tbh). His chain grab is solid, but it has less knock-back than Dr. Mario's, which means it's most effective when the opponent has at least some damage rather than none. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Falco has it all: ledge dash, lasers, down-airs - you name it. For the experienced, though, he's one of the worst according to Mew2King. Ultimate Edition Pro Controller - Switch, Nintendo Switch Super Smash Bros. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Ultimate Edition, Nintendo Super Smash Bros. Keep up the excellent work in whatever you decide to do. Again, if you're going for Uthrow -> Uair with Falco, you're probably not playing him right. By transitive property, M2K is the king of the D. Why would ICs still be A if wobbling was banned? Feel free to correct me if you see something wrong. Meant to say puff beats sheik/peach. Unrelated but also, if you like me or my content, please follow and consider Subscribing to twitch.tv/mew2king ! Falcon should be above peach really, she loses to good falcon players cause she's ideal combo material for falcon and her slowness is really a disadvantage on this matchup. Ah, almost forgot, Marth does have chaingrab on fast fallers, but Falcon can also chaingrab his Uthrow on floaties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTUXiAkw5Jw, Cinnaminson (southwest NJ 5 min drive from Philly), http://smashboards.com/threads/ssbm-statistics-list.30064/. However, when he does it, it does no damage. It seems like a lot of other people would rank him a tier lower. In my mind sheik isn't a per se' a counter to marth.

Fox is a LOT better than Falco in PM, Falco doesn't kill anywhere near as early and except Laser and Dair everything about Fox is better. Moves can be similar and still be used in different ways. I'd argue that samus is better than Mario, but otherwise I do agree with this list. Falco > Fox > Puff > Sheik > Marth > Peach > ICs > Falcon > Doc > Pikachu > Luigi > rest barely matter. There is people that my Marth has lost to then my Sheik 4 stocked the person the very next match w/ Sheik, and there's times my Fox has lost only for me to 3 stock the person w/ Sheik. They were high tier in melee no doubt, but I think the only reason that theyre not doing horrendously ranking wise is because a lot of good players from melee kind of switched over, already knowing a lot about their own character. I think you forget how easily Cap'n is gimped. The reason is because why would somebody like DrPeePee spend all his time using Roy when he can be using Falco/Marth instead? Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts! I agree with this list, due to Dr. Mario's placement :D. I'm interested in Falco's placement. TBF most would still put marth below puff/fox. Today we conclude Mew2King's Melee tier list. Tbh the, "top 10" aren't "that" close together. While you may have difficulty using Fox competitively if you're not the best of the best, Fox near-unanimously claims this top spot. Number one is, unsurprisingly, Fox. C: (Samus = Luigi) Dr. Mario.

Meant to say puff beats sheik/peach. Oh and m2 is not in top 5 characters, chill out. While Young Link serves as an effective counter-pick to many characters with great strengths and awful weaknesses, Link is the counterpoint to that: his strengths are limited, but so are his weaknesses. Ultimate Edition Pro Controller - Switch, a Nintendo Switch Super Smash Bros. I already know about m2k m2. Mew2King, commonly known as M2K, is an American smasher from Cinnaminson, New Jersey, who is currently residing in Orlando, Florida. Please explain Peach's positioning for matchups, especially as to why she was for so long put in the same tier as Sheik and Marth... My poor poor Samus, always stuck in mid tier. Can anyone articulate it? By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Welcome to Reddit's finest Smash Bros community! Her B-attack is very strong, and if you can land it on an opponent with some damage, it's likely to deal a KO. This list was originally created by M2K, one of the world's most respected players, and re-purposed here for analysis.
ESAM, who played in the Smash Bros Ultimate Exhibition at EVO, also made his own tier list. The best 4 in the game are definitely established, and should be Top tier IMO. It doesn't work like that, you can't just say that, Sheik can just needle camp and her hitboxes go through Fox, and Marth just gets projectile camped and therefore he can't just Fair camp if the Sheik doesn't let him, and that's everyone's argument for Marth being the best, besides me Azen and Ken's success w/ him. As Mew2King explains, without any rules, Jigglypuff could utilize infinite repetitive ledge grabs and potentially clock in as the number one character. To be honest some of Falco's stuff is quite similar to Fox.

It's a good character, but there are better, like fox, falco, mk, mario, Lucas etc. So he invests his time and therefore specifc skillset into mastering the viable melee characters. JavaScript is disabled. This list was originally created by M2K, one of the world's most respected players, and re-purposed here for analysis. She probably has a small disadvantage to Falcon and Jiggs, pretty even or small advantage vs Falco, gets ***** by the top 3 (rapes fox only if fox makes mistakes), and beats ICs. GameCube Controller Super Smash Bros. Marth is typically considered Top 3 but I think M2K raises a solid point that in the current meta with the top players we have, Marth has a tougher time against Falcon/Pika/Yoshi/Sheik than than Falco/Fox/Puff do. Press J to jump to the feed. Ultimate Edition - Switch.

For example, he also has Uthrow -> Uair.
According to M2K, the worst character in the game is Bowser. (not saying anyone will; just saying in general). I also get very analytical with things I'm passionate about and the way you speak about Melee actually got me to start picking it up again as a Yoshi main. © 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. Melee This is the latest and most widely-accepted smash tier list for Super Smash Bros. Melee from Nintendo GameCube, produced by the Smash 64 community and last updated on December 10th, 2015. Ok, I think we just had two different definitions of counter. How do you unlock Event Challenges past #30? Are two characters really better than one?

Falcon has an advantage vs. Marth. March's Best Video Games, Ranked By Metacritic Score, Genshin Impact: How To Raise Friendship Levels, Auto HDR Can Be Enabled For All Titles On Xbox Series X Except For Ones Microsoft Feels The Effect Is Worse, Dragon Quest TACT Is Coming To The West On iOS And Android, Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Order Volume Is "Underwhelming," According To New Report, Razer Is Having Its Own Convention, And DragonForce Will Be There, Despite Previous Promises, CD Projekt Red Will Crunch Devs On Cyberpunk 2077, Playing Video Games While Young Enhances Working Memory And Inhibitory Control, Says Study, Wolverine Outfit Now Available In Fortnite, Chris Jericho Provides An Update On AEW's First Video Game, K-pop Band BlackPink Is Coming To, Erm, PUBG Mobile, Hades: How To Unlock The Aspect Of Gilgamesh, Super Mario Bros. 35 - How To Play Nintendo's Latest Battle Royale, Animal Crossing: New Horizons Player Dresses Up As A BioShock Little Sister For Halloween, The Binding Of Isaac's Next Expansion Is Bigger Than Rebirth And Is 90% Complete, What Is Cyberpunk 2077’s Ideal Campaign Length? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Honestly, I'm not even sure if she is 5th or not. This seems more like m2k bias more than anything lol. So much advantage and spacing can be gained from his waveland and any kind of WL or WD into tilts. In order to compile the ranking, top level players, tournament organizers, commentators, and figureheads are asked to rate players on a scale from 1 to 10. Same if you're fishing for Usmashes. I mean.... have you seen their Down B? The rest of the character could use some work, though. - lucas is not higher because a lot of his stuff doesn't really work vs many characters. He's a secret mid tier, who is secretly a n00b killer. That kind of difference that makes a simple better/worse comparison difficult. Dont use the image at the end. Being able to run circles around people while throwing **** is an extremely effective way to play keep away, and it's also extremely handy considering you can use bombs, boomerang or arrows as T.Link to convert into kills once you need to go in, and you can do it from farther away than Link can. He really needs to go way more offensive. Ultimate This Week. Link got lower AND higher at the same time. Link and ivy both get rekt by fast and aggrosive play styles. For those on mobile or who can't watch the video right away, here is M2K's full tier list: S: Fox Falco Jigglypuff Marth (Puff 1-3 depending on ruleset) A: Sheik Captain Falcon Peach Ice Climbers (ICs 5-6 if wobbling is legal, 8th if it's banned) B: Pikachu Yoshi. You heard it here first folks, M2K said the Puff ditto is unwinnable at high level. Seriously, besides Pillar combo and lasers, what does this guy have going for him? Important: I downloaded these GIFs from multiple different sources. Related: Smash Melee Champion Calls Out Nintendo For Not Supporting Its Own Esports Scene. Both of these happened 1-2 months ago. So the real standout here is putting falco in the top 2. falcon is 5th, hes better than peach at least, Yeah Falcon is probably better than Peach, ya thats better I was thinking the same thing. Zain has shown that it can be done against the top representatives of those characters but it's not easy and he has to grind those matchups. Melee legend Mew2King and Smash 4 champ Salem worked together on their prospective tier list for the game. mks down b is probably the best whiff punishing move in the game. Ex: Bowser vs sheik, pichu vs marth. but unless you're Axe or Amsa, it is hard to take such statements seriously. While Ice Climbers isn't a top-tier character by any means, it is noticeably better than characters ranked below it on the list. A competitive Melee focused extension of the reddit Super Smash Brothers community. In 17 out of 26 cases, that appears to be the case. This does NOT mean you need to make his melee mains crappier in PM with each update. When I played Captain Jack at OC2, his sheik beat my Fox 2/3rds of the time, but I beat him in Sheik dittos 60/65% of the time or so. His down-tilt and wave dash are strengths, but ultimately Mewtwo suffers against characters with extended range on their attacks. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. The term \"F/F/S\" (short for \"Falco, Fox and Sheik\") was popular as a quick reference to Melee's top tier. I love the competitive scene of smash, you guys are so cool <3. Scene Ever Get Over Melee? Lavanny: 5: 7/20 3:50AM